Casino : Treasury Brisbane
$400 buy in
12ft half table
It was our work Christmas party and rather than just stand around and talk rubbish to each other I thought I’d bring out my A1 sized craps layout that I printed for just betting practice on the kitchen table. You can download a PDF of it from my website.
I have a set of dice and stash of old chips that I keep at work. So I quickly had 6 people now learning how to play craps. And several others looking on. I gave everyone $250 dollars and away we went.
It was a good session and they enjoyed it and started to see why I like it so much.
One guy turned $250 into $2050 playing don’t pass with a couple of ballsy all in moves and a $25 hard ten. Truely great to see.
Once that session was done, I packed my gear and escaped from our work Christmas party around 6pm and quickly got to casino 2 mins later. I’m very fortunate it’s only 200 meters away from where I work. Co-incidence, maybe. But I’ll take it for as long as I’m working there.
It’s been so long since I’ve played craps in the casino I’m surprised I knew where the table was.
Half table was open as per usual. And it was packed with 6 players. Looking at the chip racks which were mixed I knew I’d get a spot soon and the regulars had had their fun and gone.
I headed back to work to pickup my bag. And collect some colleagues that said they were keen to hit the craps table with me.
They had settled into drinking the night away. So I grabbed only one who was keen and left the party. Unfortunately he was already drunk and in no condition to gamble. I should have put him in a taxi and sent him home.
Now you aren’t allowed to take back packs into the casino but women can take in large handbags. I consider that an absolute joke. And total discrimination. But if you want to gamble it’s the house rules are the house rules.
So I had to put our back packs into the lockers for $5 each. I don’t mind the $5 and it’s actually one of the safest locker offerings in the city. With several cameras monitoring the area and all the security guards on the payroll.
On returning to the table there were only 4 players now and I slipped in at SL-2. I stuck my drunk work friend in the hook near the dealer out of the way. He had no idea what was going on, but was just happy to watch the theatre of the game.
It’s been a long time in between casino sessions for me. Nearly 4 months. But I wasn’t nervous at all. I used to get very nervous to the point where I would have trouble throwing. I guess that’s a good thing. And showing my increased time at playing the game is starting to overcome any of the nerves.
I started off playing my hybrid play of target 3 play on the pass line and don’t pass (not at same time) and $66 inside WOTCO with $22 inside pressing twice to $110 inside. Then same bet and regress to $22 inside and it’s press and collect from there. So I effectively play 2 seperate games at the same time.
My toss was a bit ordinary but it just felt so good to be back in the action of the game again that I really didn’t care. I was just focusing on hitting the same landing spot and keeping the dice low and slow and trying not to let them split apart to much.
I had one hand with 5 come out rolls before getting on a point.
I still don’t know how to take advantage of the come out game. I need to learn about world or whirl bet. Which I think is made up of the horn and any seven, but I haven’t practiced it and learnt the payouts so have no frame of reference for it… Yet. Anyone got some pointers for me to try?
Here’s my 5 hands
On other shooters I just stuck to my target 3 play and $6 six and eight. You never know when someone will catch a good hand.
Unfortunately I personally had a couple of short PSO hands that made my bankroll suffer. And I didn’t want to stick around longer to dig my way out. So pulled up stumps (cricket reference to finishing the game)
Colour in $251 (-$149) in 1 hour.
I was surprised to note this was my exact colour in amount for my last casino session #47 back in Aug 18.
Fortunately for me my Baccarat results are more profitable than my Craps results.
We just had our annual Halloween party. And this year I was able to use the full table that I’ve talked about in previous podcasts and posts. Photo is below. Last year was just a makeshift half table. See episode 53 for all about that one and some photos.
With space for up to 10 players I was gearing up for a big craps session. We had quite a few new players from last year. And those that played last year were very keen but needed a refresher course.
I am still trying to work out the best way to get new players quickly into the game without completely confusing them with the myriad of bets that they see in front of them. Thinking back 25 years ago to when I first started playing craps I watched others and slowly picked it up that way. But I’m talking about quick ABCs to get started with little pressure. Perhaps you’ve got some ideas for me. If so let me know.
I’m going to instigate a standing Halloween party craps award. There will be 2. Craps champ with highest bankroll and golden arm with longest roll. I’ll get a little wall mounted award board where I can put up the names and show it off each year.
Another very interesting session followed where there were dark siders and passline players. Trying their luck with both sides trying to beat the game.
Each player had $150 of chips which I purposefully set low. I wanted to see if it would naturally end up with a more conservative betting approach than last year, where I gave them $300 each. It was a very different game to last year.
I was once again humbled that my party goers embraced dark side play on their first craps outing. You just don’t see many dark side players in Brisbane.
I explained the higher probability for rolling a seven over the other numbers each roll, and they just worked it out that dark siding would be a good idea.
That is until one of the players got on a monster roll. Over an hour. Banging out the place numbers. They couldn’t seven out. The prop bet players were left scratching their heads, wondering what was going on. Having lost a fair bit of money. Last year it was a horn number fest and they must have thought that’s a common affair and tried to do it again.
I had to call a time out for a drinks and desert break. Of course none of them know about energy draining events (EDE) and not to break the rhythm of the shooter. But I needed food and another couple of beers.
After the break they continued for a few more rolls and then 7 out. It was at that point I knew we had our golden arm winner for the night. They were very happy with themselves.
Someone asked me how I would have bet that hand. I felt a bit bad because I would have made quite a lot. Compared to what everyone else did. Even with a conservative press schedule, it would have left hundreds on the table.
It was then I realised that what they were missing was the benefit of watching what other more seasoned players do at the table. And picking up ideas of different bets to try and what the outcome of those bets are.
So in future even though I’m not going to shoot while I deal, I think it’s best if I deal and play as well. I can then explain the plays as I make them and the others can then play whatever bets they like.
It was a thoroughly enjoyable night. And I can’t wait to get last years and this years winners up on the wall. Then we’ll do it all again next Halloween.
PS For my fancy dress I called myself the dice doctor (if only) and had my eighties hair style back and dressed in scrubs. Definitely you would not want me operating on you. I looked thoroughly dodgey.
Well once again I have to start off by saying that I’ve been stopped from getting to the Casino over the last few weeks by my daily grind of family and work commitments.
They come first. And I come last. Such is life. I know I’m not the only one. I’ve been told it happens to all of us.
However I have not been idle by any means with my Craps Journey.
I have a few photos to share (see below), as I have spent considerable time to put together my Craps Table which was stuck in storage for nearly a year. So now is as good as any to dedicate a podcast episode for how my table came to be.
I’d been looking for a Craps Table for 2 years as soon as I started my Craps Journey, but being in Australia they are rare – in very short supply, and no one is selling them.
I had been talking with Big Jeff from Big Jeff’s Craps Tables in USA and he was going to help me build a table.
The only downside to that is that I don’t have the space, tools, skills or time to build a great table.
Getting one of Big Jeff’s or any other timber masterpiece sent from America to Australia was going to cost me a fortune (or so I thought)
So I found a vendor in China by using the Alibaba network of manufacturers.
Of course this is a risky venture since you are buying a table from a manufacturer in another country that you only can see photos of what they produce (or supposedly produce).
With a lot of trepidation I was chatting with 2 vendors for over 1 month to pick the one that I thought would do the best job and most importantly deliver the table to me in Australia.
I’m not going to reveal the vendor that I ultimately chose, because as you will see they didn’t meet my expectations.
The table I wanted was an 8ft 2.4m table which was 4ft 1.2m wide. All of the tables they had previously built were only 1m wide, but I wanted it to be as wide as possible. I wanted the table to be portable. And by portable I mean, be able to be broken down and moved from room to room or place to place and put back together again. I have many videos on my how to build a craps table page of people building tables that can break down as needed. So I took ideas from them and put in some of my own and gave the vendor my instructions of what I wanted.
The table cost $950USD which I had to electronic money transfer to China. Now that was a 2 hour visit to the bank to make that happen. Which was like pulling teeth. You’d think I was the first person to try to send money to a bank in China from Australia, I was amazed and frustrated at the same time.
One month ticked away and I was eagerly waiting for some photos of my craps table (aka furniture art) from the vendor.
Finally I was rewarded with photos, and it looked impressive. Very clean job and well constructed. Of course what can you really see from a photo. In this case, it turned out, not the stuff I wanted to see.
I should have asked to see the table disassembled and with a clear showing of how to the table bolts back together again. But I didn’t. I was so caught up in getting the table to me.
The next stage after the build was harder than the actual build itself. The shipping.
What a nightmare doing shipping from another country into Australia. They don’t make it easy at all. And if you have anything that is out of the ordinary / large / made of timber, it’s even harder. For never having any prior shipping import / export experience, I had no idea what I was getting myself into.
First I had to engage an import broker to help me, since I could see I wasn’t going to be able to get this table into the country on my own. The broker provided me with all the forms, and more money was transferred to the broker to get things started. Lots of paper work then ensued to get the broker what they needed.
The craps table was packed from China in a shipping container with 8 other tables en-route to Sydney, which I thought was ok as it was more likely to get here rather than just on it’s own. But ended up being an issue as they weren’t going to Brisbane, they were bound for Sydney, only my table was coming to Brisbane.
What I’ve come to know is the extortion racket that goes on with importing goods into a country. The whole process is geared towards extracting the maximum amount of money from you at every step. And they know that if you don’t pay it, you don’t get your goods. So you have to pay.
I have mentioned to everyone since having done this import, that I have no idea how any company in Australia can afford to import goods into this country and make a profit. What an absolute joke.
Now for the good part. The container ship went to Sydney first to offload the other tables in the container, and I was extorted further money for that delay. The table then had to be reloaded and sent to Brisbane. However while all this was going on I got a call from Australian Border Force questioning the import of a Casino table. There is actually a TV show in Australia called Border Force where they film the real busts of people importing illegal stuff into the country. I was being questioned as I guess they thought I was going to start up my own Casino.
But it gets even better.
Once the table had made it to Brisbane and been put into quarantine for fumigation (because it’s a timber product) for a few days, it was released and I had 24 hours to get it out of the quarantine facility and to my home. The broker organised for me a delivery truck with a hydrolic lift on the back because of the large size and weight of the table.
The delivery driver shows up at my residential home (not an industrial setting) and says to me where’s my fork lift? He’s on his own and can’t lift the table off the truck. You’ve got to be kidding me. So I helped him drag the table onto the lift and got it down onto grass beside the footpath (sidewalk) outside my house. The table wrapped in a make shift crate of strips of ply wood that the manufacturer in China put together. By the time it was coming off the truck the low quality crate wrapping was falling apart. I should have taken a photo of it coming off the truck.
The truck driver says good luck and packed up and left. So I’m left all alone with a 140kg very large half falling apart crate and a second crate box that has the table legs in it, on my front grass outside of my property. I look up at the sky in defeat and what do I see storm clouds. My heart sinks again because it’s about to rain.
After all this effort, my table will be ruined before I even get it into the house. I had no one to help, no one to call, everyone I knew was at work, and my kids (late teens) and wife were not at home. With no time to spare, I got my large crowbar out, and started inching the crate into the property, like they would have done in the days of no machinery. It wasn’t even inching it was more like centermetering which is even less than inching. I dragged that bloody thing all the way to the side of the house about 20 meters, I needed to get it to my storage shed in the back yard which was about 35 meters away, but I just couldn’t move it any more. I was spent.
The rain was about to drop, in a last ditch effort I got a couple of wooden planks we had lying around and lifted the crate on it’s side and leaned it up against the house, and threw a tarp over it and wedged it upright with the wooden planks as struts. The rain really came down by my table was safe. I was a wreck.
The next day I was fortunate enough to be having some building work happening at the house, and I asked the builders before they started for the day if they would help me move the table into the storage shed. I stripped off the outer crate to reveal the table inside. It wasn’t in pieces as I’d expected. It was one big table all put together with no ability to break it down. What a slap in the face. I was very dissapointed as it wasn’t what I asked for and I knew it going to an effort to make it portable and how little time I have to do that work.
The builders were very impressed with it. Until they tried to lift it! It took 4 of us with great struggle to get it into the storage shed and safely leaning up against the wall. I covered the table again for protection, and that is were it stayed for 10 months until I got the time to cut it up into pieces so I could move it.
All in all, the table took about a month to make it’s way from China to Brisbane and then to my front door.
I’ll break down the costs.
Table $950 USD = $1284 AUD
Broker / Import charges $600 AUD
Port charges $640 AUD
Quarantine / Fumigation $500 AUD
Delivery from airport $450 AUD
Total cost was $3474 AUD
That is a lot more cost than I thought it would be, when I first put the order in for the table. But once you start you have to keep going. I knew shipping was going to hurt and it did. It’s the unknown costs that got me with this purchase. If I had of purchased a table from the USA it would have cost about the same in the end.
Could I have built this table from scratch and cheaper. Yes. Would it have been as nice. No.
One more little twist to this story is that the Chinese manufacturer that build my table, has since sent me photos of tables they are now building for other people that are exactly what I asked for and designed to be portable. I couldn’t believe it. It’s been months and I still haven’t calmed down yet to respond. There really is nothing I can say that will change anything. So I haven’t replied.
I have grand visions of making Craps great in Australia, one of the ways to do that, is to get more Craps tables in Australia, which exposes more people to the game. I have a placeholder website www.crapstables.com.au ready to go, just need to work out the rest.
And now we are back at the start of this post / podcast and time to share some photos of the rebuild of the table and it’s first use in my soccer break up ‘Mad Saturday’ event. Which is a topic for another post / podcast.
$300 buy in
12ft full table
I promised myself I’d get to play Craps this week after 3 months off. And play Craps I did. For the grand total of 30mins.
I couldn’t escape from work at 2pm as I’d hoped to see the table get opened. But as I suspected I was getting pestered by folks that can’t seem to do their own jobs, so expect me to assist them with constant hand holding. That’s a gripe for another day.
Anyway I ended up showing up at the casino at 3:55pm and was shocked to see a full table in use with the only available spot in SL-3.5 in the hook. I really detest this spot since it is not only hard to shoot from for me, but I can’t bet my DP cleanly because there is no clear DP box in front of me. I have to put my DP chips in front of someone else. It annoys me and them. Not everyone likes or understands don’t players.
I looked around the table and while I don’t know their names, I have seen them all many times before. Everyone was a regular.
So with the reduction in hours of the table i mentioned in my last post, it’s effectively squeezed the regulars into a smaller window of opportunity.
At least with a table in full swing throughout its open times, the management may not close it permanently.
I’ve never seen a table run so slow. With so many regulars it seemed like everyone (except me) had prop action. The middle looked like a Christmas tree with the baubles on it. Talk about a time suck.
The dice started in the turn near the SR dealer and after a few slow roles, I knew I wouldn’t get the dice today.
I started with my modified Target 3 play on flat bets PL and DP (not at the same time, I’ve discussed this play before) and did some very conservative place bet action of $6 on the six and eight and spread out to the five and nine from there as they hit. Aka one hit can’t miss style.
A wife of a regular was the final shooter for me. And literally you needed to have safety glasses on, for fear of a stray dice hitting you in the eye. I was standing 2ft off the rail and was still concerned for my safety.
She was dangerous with just the force of throw. I had a $10 DP on her and just had to lay $40 on it for odds when the point went to the 10. After a few rolls she hit the ten hard. Sigh. Reminded me of $5bill trip reports.
I made some money back off her on my place bets but I just didn’t have the time to recover in total.
Had to rush back to work. Will try again next Friday. And get back into the weekly craps groove.
Now as a side comment I went to collect my ticket for the special $1millon prize draw the casino is having in August and would you believe it, Craps doesn’t qualify for it. I was upset about that. So they are forcing people to play any other game or electronic machine. But not Craps. That’s a tell tale sign of how much they rate Craps players. Very sad.
Colour in $251 (-$49) in 30 mins.
Well it’s been ages since I’ve got to the craps table. 3 months approximately. I’m getting withdrawal symptoms for sure.
The biggest issue is that my local casino has reduced the craps table hours yet again.
No more craps at lunch time on Friday for me. The table doesn’t open until 2pm now. Which makes it really hard for me to get to the casino during the mid afternoon. They have also closed Sunday totally. So it’s only Friday night and Saturday night now.
I’ve had to console myself with playing baccarat instead. Not much consolation if you ask me. But it’s better than nothing.
What’s a first for me is to participate in a major casino competition. My local casino is having a huge $1million prize draw for August. When you play through the week you get a ticket to go in the weekly draw. I’ve never been the type to go for this sort of marketing competition. But since I’m playing at the casino weekly I figured why not.
I play baccarat and get my ticket each week and go in the draw. Then I go there on Sunday night for the draw and play some more baccarat.
Quick in and out round trip from the house and back again in 1 1/4 hours. How’s that for efficient casino hit and run.
Of course I have had my down swings were I had to leave the casino on at a stage in my negative progression that I would not normally stop at. But I just abort and pick up again from scratch not from where I was up to in the sequence.
I don’t like being at the casino on Sunday evening there are to many people. And I hate sitting next to someone on a row of machines.
Usually when I go the place is next to empty and I can have my pick of any machine I like.
My wife will only go when it’s quiet as well.
Overall I’m still pulling 26% return out of baccarat. I’m aiming to ratchet that up as my bankroll increases. But steady as she goes for now. Don’t want to get greedy. That’s the kiss of death. It doesn’t take much to go backwards and ruin at the good that has accumulated.
Can’t wait to get back to craps again. This Friday I’ll be there at 2pm to watch them open the table. And see just how awful my toss has become.
My home craps table is still in pieces. I’ve spent the last 2 weekends rebuilding it in readiness to join it back together again and make it fully robust and portable at the same time.
Here’s a picture of my home table end rails under some heavy glue action with clamps.
It’s time to finally show off my craps table. I’ve had it for 6 months leaning up against a wall in a spare room in the house, and have not been able to set it up and use it, since it’s far to heavy to move into place for one person. This is the first time it’s been horizontal and I thought I’d capture one roll on film before I cut it up to be a portable craps table instead. Which is what I wanted in the first place, but unfortunately the Chinese manufacturer didn’t give me what I asked for.
More videos to follow of this new table in action, and how I’ve learnt to throw the dice – and support that with appropriate betting to take advantage of it.
I’ve mentioned before that I use Target 3 Play in Baccarat and as the basis for my Craps play as well.
Thanks to Seth Theobeau for the inspiration and knowledge he freely shares on his blog about Target Betting. I suggest you read his whole blog from beginning to end. I did.
Let me know if you’d like to see more of these instructional type videos.
Casino : Treasury Brisbane
$150 buy in
12ft half table
It’s been 6 weeks since I’ve had time to indulge in my Craps. I wasn’t going to miss today for anything. Even just watching would be ok.
Arrived at 3pm to find the 1/2 table full again. Which is good because I want it full all the time to prove to casino management that they should not put the table back in storage.
I just watched for a bit because I could see a longish hand in flight and enjoy a good shooting display. From a guy who is a regular, which I would consider a rhythm roller.
2 important differences today.
#1 I have lost my little notebook which I track all my rolls.
#2 I thought I had $400 in my wallet but only had $150
So these 2 nuggets really upset me. I couldn’t believe it. I had reached into my bag to get my little tracking notebook and my little pencil and they were not in there usual spot in my bag. I didn’t realise how accustomed I’ve become to tracking my rolls and how much I get out of analysing the session afterwards with the data I collect.
I felt it was almost not worth going to the casino without it. But as I said nothing was going to stop me.
Next hurdle was my cash. Friggin wife and kids must have ransacked my wallet that morning.
So my usual $400 buyin was now down to $150, which meant that I had to totally change my bet style for the day, and I opted to keep it simple with OHCM. Then press up and out from there if a hand developed.
I had the option of SR-2 or SR-6 position.
Since I was playing and shooting dark I opted for SR-6 even thought it’s my nemesis position which I can’t throw very well from.
They were breaking in a new dealer but she was experienced so no issues there.
It was your basic grind session. Not much to report. Up and down.
A couple of my Don’t Come bets didn’t travel because the dealer forgot. I keep an eye on my bets. Of course next roll after that was the seven. Both times they tried to take my DC and I had to remind them they didn’t push it to the box number. They paid me.
I don’t say anything of course up front in case the number repeats, at which I have argued the other way that they can’t take my bet because they didn’t move it when they first should have.
I know being a dealer is hard work. So in the end whatever the box says goes.
My only hand of they session was a 10 roll, shooting dark. Got one point and all inside numbers. Everyone was getting excited and always remarks dark side shooters are the best shooters. I still haven’t worked out why? If anyone knows let me know.
Was just making a nice come back after a few early losses and my time was up and I had to get back to work. Oh well.
Colour in $123 (-$27) in 45 mins.
$300 buy in
12ft half table
Been another couple of weeks between craps games. So I was itching to play.
Showed up at 3pm to make sure that the table regulars had bled out and left from a 12pm opening time.
Sure enough they had all left. With one remaining and not many chips left to go.
Had a great session today where I was playing all sorts of plays, when the need arose.
Playing both dark side and right side.
Shoot It Alls One hit can’t miss play on others.
Don’t pass target 3 play including laying odds for me as well.
And a play which I don’t know the name of which I hope someone can tell me what it is. I’ll explain it below.
I set for 3V with three finger top edge grip. I aimed for the big 6 box today and my target landing zone hit rate was very good today.
When I bet for the dont’s only on my hands, I set the dice to the hit the seven after the come out and laid odds against it. That worked well aiming for the seven.
I played OHCM play on the other regular at SL-1 And I would always step back to give him all the room he needed. I’m a respectful player. And expect the same in return.
So here’s my play I was road retesting on only my hands after I’d warmed up.
Got the idea for this initially from MP (Mad Professor) – “Regression avoids Depression” series of articles on dicesetter.com http://www.dicesetter.com/mp/dmad140regression.htm
And more recently from Marc (aka BoneThrower) on his youtube channel.
$66 inside working on the come out
Inside hit #1 – drop $1 and press all inside by one unit each (to 4 units each) [+$21]
Inside hit #2 – press all inside by one unit again (to 5 units each) [+$28]
Inside hit #3 – same bet and come down to $6 six and eight. [+$35]
This then becomes a OHCM play.
I then pressed out and up from there.
Of course if the seven comes I then moved through the DP 3 play sequence, which I’ve mentioned before.
I’m sort of liking this play so far. Ticks my boxes for comfort and risk vs returns. $66 of place numbers at risk for $84 in three rolls including the come out roll.
Just need to hit 3 numbers more than not hitting 3 numbers straight off the bat including the come out. Can I do this. My numbers tell me I can.
I’ll try this again next week and get more comfortable with it.
Interested in any feedback on this play, and if someone knows if it has a name please let me know.
Colour in $350 (+$50) in 1 1/2 hours.
For those that are interested here’s my rolls for yesterday session. (I had table to myself for parts, and just one other so lots of hands)
6, 9, 8, 8, 6
7, 6, 6
12, 7, 5, 7
6, 7 (dark shooting for 7)
11, 6, 9, 7 (dark shooting for 7)
6, 4, 10, 8, 12, 6
3, 7, 9, 10, 8, 7
5, 9, 7 (dark shooting for 7)
9, 11, 12, 10, 10, 10, 10, 7 (dark shooting for 7)
6, 11, 10, 12, 7 (dark shooting for 7)
8, 4, 5, 11, 6, 2, 9, 2, 5, 10, 9, 9, 7
10, 5, 7 (dark shooting for 7)
10, 8, 7 (dark shooting for 7)
5, 9, 6, 2, 4, 5
11, 5, 4, 7
6, 9, 8, 6
4, 8, 4
6, 11, 4, 6
5, 8, 12, 8, 4, 7
Take out the dark shooting for the seven hands, and if I’m not setting to get the 7, then it’s looking not to bad.