Session Report #28

$400 buy in
1/2 table right side
SR1
5 players (4 regulars and me)
3V set

It’s been ages (4 weeks) since I’ve last slung the dice at casino.

I was pleasantly surprised my casino still had their craps table. They are still threatening to close it.

Between tropical cyclones and then floods and then public holidays and then family commitments. I felt like a newbie again sidling up to the table. To the point were my nerves had come back. Hands shaking level of nerves.

I decided to keep it simple today to break the nerves.

Followed a $44 inside working on the come out with my DP negative and positive progression on my own roles. Regress to $22 inside after 2 hits, then press up from there.

With the DP 3 play and $22 inside working on comeout for other shooters.

Everything went to plan today which was nice.

Being at SR1 agrees with me. Used a 3V, 3 finger parr style toss, aimed for around 4cm from the back wall.

Made one point and had a 14 roll hand.

8, 4, 6, 9, 10, 8
6, 2, 3, 10, 8, 8, 8, 9, 7

Only time for one throw. On my next throw I was going to try a low and slow toss to roll to the wall.

The other shooters were good to me. So no time or need to have another shot.

My throw was uuuggghhhhlllly so I was really hoping to get another shot in to see if I could steady my nerves. Oh well next week. And some much needed practice required.

Coloured out $556 (+$156) in 1 hour

Session Report #27

Casino: Treasury

$300 buy in
1/2 table left side
SO
4 players (3 regulars and me)
3V set

Stuck with my $66 inside working on the come out with my DP negative and positive progression on my own roles.

With the DP 3 play and $22 inside working on comeout for other shooters.

Shot myself in the foot with CO 7 twice on two separate hands.

I did have a 32 hand (my best to date is 34) which was good. But had sevens in the middle with the WOTCO knocked off my accumulated bets each time. Oops.

I think I’ll revise my WOTCO to only beginning of the hand and not in between points.

One regular player hit 4 horns in row and 2 players had big money on it. The $500 chips were flowing out to those guys and the box wasn’t happy.

He told the shooter after the hand that those lucky dice have been marked for removal and new dice will be used next shift.

I thought this was strange to pull dice because a couple of people made some big bets on the horn and won. But I guess they can do whatever they like.

Those 2 guys were smart and walked straight after that hand. I’m sure they have lost thousands so the small recovery actually reinforces to them to keep coming back each week to lose more again.

I don’t know why the casino personnel can’t see that overall these guys are the casinos best customers. They have their player cards in the system and know what they spend and take off the table. I know just from watching them in the short time that I’m there, that they spend big each week and since I’ve been playing they usually don’t win. I also know from listening to them banter with the dealers that they go back and play over the weekend.

What was interesting was that my DP 3 play and the WOTCO was affecting the betting of the others. They would sit out my rolls and couldn’t work out what I was doing and even after my 32 roll hand which was the biggest of the hour. They didn’t recognise it because their standard betting patterns were not followed.

Bad news, I got lost in my progression after my 32 hand, as I had chips everywhere since I wasn’t stacking them and it looked like chip vomit in front of me. I really need to rack my chips better. I would have made another $100 if I had of followed my progression properly. Lesson learned.

Good news, that after one and a half years (26.5 hours) of casino play after becoming a student of Craps I’m finally in the black by $53 overall.

While that’s a very bad return on the $7,100 I’ve put through the table over that time. I’ve learned so much about the game and the people that run it, and play it that I feel I’m in a good place now with my game.

I just hope next week there is still a table in the casino to play on.

Coloured out $359 (+$59) in 1 hour

Session Report #26

Casino : Treasury Brisbane

$300 buy in
1/2 table right side
SR6 (hook near dealer)
4 players (one newbie, 2 regulars and me)
3V set

My least favourite position. Still haven’t worked this one out.

However today it didn’t matter.

Only had 45 mins. Got the dice twice.

$66 inside working on the come out.

Both roles shot myself in the foot with seven on first roll.

7, 9, 3, 6, 10, 12, 3, 9
5, 9, 7

7, 6, 8, 10, 7

Terrible but no other spot opened up for me.

Good news though is I made money on the other regulars.

Playing my DP progression and $22 inside

One regular had a wonderful hand in the 20s (don’t track / chart others… yet)

So many inside numbers, high on the nines. And I had 9 up to $75. $300 profit in one hand. I was happy to finally make use of the press and take strategy I learned from this forum.

Clapped him after that roll, truely thankful.

There was one newbie and he was hopeless. Holding the dice both hands. Rubbing dice together with both hands. Taking the dice back over the rail out of sight. Throwing one dice at a time down to the end. Dealers were laughing, it was classic what not to do.

Colour in $569 (+$269) in 45 mins

Session Report #25

$350 buy in
1/2 table left side
SL 1
2 players (one newbie and me)
3V set (exclusively)

Had a plan today. And really wanted to stick to it.

Bet don’t pass exclusively with my progression and play $66 inside regardless of point working on the come out for 2 hits and regress to $22 inside and press up from there 1 unit twice and then 2 units to 5. Take and press from there.

Why did I set such a plan?

I looked at my rolls over previous weeks and after last weeks debacle with my progression promised myself after a week of practice to get it right this time.

Also betting purely don’t pass is like watching paint dry and you need some excitement.

I’m better than a random roller. At least I think so anyway. So may as well back yourself with the place numbers.

Good news is I was fully engaged at the table and the dealer and stick now had something to do.

The newbie who I suspect wasn’t a newbie at all, as he was pretending to not know the bets, but was throwing out hi lows and other fancy bets. Why pretend. Anyway he kept coming and going. And while he was losing I was winning.

He asked the dealers what was going on and said is he betting against me. They said yes. And it was on from there. Sniped him with 2 short rolls and he left for good.

Winning is more fun.

On the clock to get back to work and only had 1 hour.

Had a big chat with the dealers and the box man said the management are going to scrap craps from the Brisbane and Gold Coast casinos soon, so get my sessions in quick.

My next closest table is one and half hour plane flight to Sydney.

Colour in $577 (+227) in 1 hour.

Tracking of my DP bet only

Bet Result Balance
10 L -10
20 W 10
10 L 0
20 L -20
30 W 10
10 L 0
20 W 20
10 W 30
20 W 50
30 L 20
40 L -20
50 W 30
25 W 55
10 W 65
20 L 45
30 L 15
50 L -35
10 W -25
10 W -15
20 W 5
30 W 35
40 W 75
50 L 25
60 L -35
70 W 35
10 L 25
20 L 5
30 W 35
10 W 45

This means of $227 win only $45 is from my DP progression. The rest is from my $66 inside for 2 hits, and regress to $22 and press up from there.

Session Report #24

Casino : Treasury Brisbane

$300 buy in

Half table – Left side
SL-1
1 player (me)

3V equivalent set, and all sevens set while aiming for the 7.

Another session second week in a row where I was all alone. The dealers were just standing around doing nothing when I showed up.

I had in my head that I was going to concentrate on playing a totally Don’t game if it was just me at the table.

Set a point and then push the seven.

Alas what I thought was a perfect plan didn’t turn out that way.

Out of 16 hands. 7 with less than 4 throws. 43.75%

In order to play purely dark side this way I really think you need to have a strong ability to 7 out early. Something I definitely need to work on.

I did try to play right sight a couple of times once I felt my ability to go dark had left me, with $66 inside, with intent to do 3 hits and then regress to $22 and start pressing from there. That didn’t work either.

My throws from SL-1 were decent. And I found it very strange that a pit boss came over to watch me very intently for over 15 mins. There was no one else at the table, and I was only betting small on DP, with no other bets. I saw no reason for him to be so interested in me. Perhaps it was my recording my rolls in my little notepad? I didn’t let it bother me and kept setting, and then throwing as I had been the whole time. With no one else at the table and also losing and not winning, I felt wronged for having a pit boss scrutinise me.

Basically if I zigged the dice zagged. If I zagged the dice zigged.

Playing the DP not even bringing in the DC, the dealers were almost falling asleep.

I put out a stack of chips at one point for some place bets and the dealer didn’t even notice. I patiently waited and it got awkward. He finally realised that he actually had something to do, and was surprised that I was betting the numbers while doing a DP.

In the end my work time constraints kicked in, and the dealers are used to me know saying that I have to go back to work.

While I thoroughly enjoyed myself, having the table all to myself is such a treat, and doing another large session of 147 throws. Which is great for my practice and getting used to the table.

My final take away out of this session, is that I absolutely need more practice. Or really need to look at adjusting my betting instead of going in with a set play in mind and religiously following it when it clearly isn’t working as expected.

Colour in $133 (-$167) in 1 hour 15 mins

Addendum : I did have a plan to play a particular DP progression, but kept getting lost with it, which is ashame and another thing I need to work on.

After the fact, I can see via my charting, that I would have come out $70 ahead if I had of been able to stick to the plan I had.

These bets are only on the DP every single time. As a solo shooter without a PL or DP the dice don’t move.

Bet Result Balance
10 W 10
20 L -10
30 W 20
10 L 10
20 L -10
30 W 20
10 L 10
20 W 30
10 L 20
20 L 0
30 W 30
10 L 20
20 L 0
30 W 30
10 W 40
20 L 20
30 L -10
60 W 50
10 W 60
20 W 80
30 W 110
40 L 70
50 L 20
100 W 120
10 W 130
20 W 150
30 L 120
40 W 160
10 L 150
20 W 170
10 L 160
20 L 140
30 W 170
10 W 180
20 L 160
30 L 130
60 L 70
10 L 60
10 W 70
Session Report #23

Session Report #23

Casino: Treasury Brisbane

$400 buy in
Half table – Right side
SR-1
1 player (me)
3V equivalent set

This was another session that I wasn’t expecting.

I’d been waiting for many weeks to get the table all to myself.

The first time this happened I was totally unprepared, and so nervous I was shaking.

Now was a different story. Just small nerves, which was good.

I was ready.

I don’t know what the normal amount of rolls are per hour, but I’m thinking it’s around 60.

By myself I managed to squeeze in 163 throws in around an hour.

I was powering through the throws and bets. And I apologised to the the dealers since it would be boring for them with they way I bet. But they said they were enjoying the relaxed work. Since I don’t prop bet it was super easy for them. Box man had nothing to do. Stick just collected the dice and brought them back to me without any fuss, and the dealer was enjoying the simple setup / press and take moves I use.

By the end of my session, I was worn out. But in a good way.

I got to try out all sorts of landing zones and throw adjustments. It was fantastic.

I also had success with DP $10 or DP $20 and then setting for 7 and hitting it. If I didn’t hit it and get my point instead then I’d switch over and run with it.

I didn’t realise until after the session and looking at my charting that I got a 34 role hand. My best yet.

But mostly I was betting light. I tried a couple of $66 inside that didn’t take. So I stuck with $22 inside and build up from there.

It was a great practice session, which I hope to do again.

Looking over my charts it would seem that I could have done very well if I had of backed myself at $66 inside each time.

I wish I had of started charting sooner. But I’m only 1 1/2 years into my craps journey, so I’m really happy with my progress.

At the end of my hand, one regular player came to table, and saw I was throwing from the dark side. He asked if the table was negative, and I said to join me. He actually did.

And we both played dark on his hand. $20 DP layed $40 odds on 10, and $10 DC, and we both didn’t play any other numbers. He rolled the 7 two rolls later, and we both celebrated. It was so refreshing to celebrate a roll ending 7 out loud and the dealers were laughing. I never get to celebrate the 7 since everyone else is usually on PL, and I’m not into sticking it in peoples faces when I win and they lose.

Had to return to work, otherwise could have stayed much longer.

Colour in $503 (+$103) in 1 hour 15 mins

 

Session Report #22

Casino: Treasury Brisbane

$300 buy in
Half table – Right side
SR-1
2 – 4 players
3V equivalent set

From the outset this was a session like no other I’ve had to date. I walked into the Casino following my nose to the craps table on the second floor, turned the final corner and my heart sank. The craps table was gone and 2 Caribbean Stud tables were in it’s place. I thought WTF is going on here.

Looked around couldn’t see any sight of it. Asked a dealer on a roulette table with no one on it, and she didn’t know.

Walked around until I found a dealer on the floor that I recognised that regularly worked on the craps table, and he pointed me to a hole in the wall off the main gaming floor. They had just 3 days earlier moved the table into a small side room, like a craps pit someone might have at home. I don’t know if this is it’s last position before being dumped from the floor altogether, but I look at it as a step in the right direction as it’s less noisy and has a nice feel about it. Downside, it’s not visible and won’t attract attention. I’ll make sure to be inclusive to all new players that happen to find the room and get them onto the table.

The table had no drop box and had not been setup yet, so my small lunch time 1 hour window was dwindling. They said come back in an hour. Damn.

Thought what the hell, and went to play some Mini Baccarat. Won $17.50 and went and had lunch and went back to work.

I just couldn’t help myself though, I had to try out that new craps table.

The table had been given a new lease of life with a new black layout. Very nice. It even was not as spongy under the finger press test as it was before.

I took an early mark from work and gave myself 1 extra hour to have a game of craps.

The dealers seemed much happier with the new table location as did the players, including myself.

Did the old one hit can’t miss play ($10 DP, $6 six and eight) on others, and was really itching to get started on my own game. With my trusty little notebook and small casino grade pencil at the ready, it was on… (not).

I promised myself I would try Heavy‘s $66 inside play, and I mentioned to a craps player (new youtuber Marc – search for Full Press Craps) that I would work my place bets on the come out.

With all my variables turned upside down already, I couldn’t include the $66 inside working on the come out play, I’ll save that for another session.

Long story short, I couldn’t get it going at all today. So embarrassing. Nothing past 6 rolls.


10, 10
4, 5, 5, 7 ($44 inside)

3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 12, 7 ($66 inside took 3 hits and regress to $22 inside)

5, 7 ($66 inside)

10, 7 ($44 inside)

10, 6, 4, 4, 2, 8, 7 ($66 inside)

I’m still going through the session revisiting my throw and what I could do differently next week. I’ve got some ideas to try. The table is not as bouncy, and you can hear the dice a little bit as they hit the table. Never could before.

I actually got so frustrated that I stopped betting for a bit, and thought I’d try a few field bets (cringe) while waiting and looking for field twins to show with a Fibonacci negative progression. If a field hits then make a bet looking for the twin repeat. I worked my way up to $50 on field and lost that one as well and didn’t have the balls to pony up for the next bet. However as it turns out, if I had of made that bet on the next field twin, it would have won, and I would have dropped back to $10 then I would have kicked into my positive progression, and the guy rolled 6 fields in a row after that twin reversal. That would have been a very nice progressive field run.

Jeez, it was just one of those sessions.

Colour in $64 (-$236) in 1 hour

Session Report #21

Casino : Treasury Brisbane

$300 buy in

Half table – Right side
SR-3
4 players – all seasoned
3V equivalent set

Same guys as last week.

Took a small notepad with me today for first time to chart my performance. Once again no one said anything from players or staff. I just leave the notepad in full view on the chip rail.

Haven’t played in SR-3 before, and I don’t like it much. I don’t like having 2 players + stick in front of my trajectory. I found it much harder to focus on my landing zone.

The table was choppy to cold. The others were bleeding chips every hand.

Kept with SIA OHCM $10 DP and $6 six and eight, which kept me in front a bit. Also lay single odds on DP if point was 4 and 10.

Surprised today because the $10 DP routinely got taken by a come out seven. Even the others were scoffing at me when that happened, but I don’t care what other people think of my betting methods.

If my $10 DP got knocked off I would still go up on $6 six and eight, and do a $10 DC.

I found it amusing that after my longer throw the other players were trying to remember what numbers rolled and I didn’t have the heart to tell them the real counts, since I had it sitting right in front of me on my notepad.

Longest hand for me today was 13, but really need to get a hand in the 20’s so I can benefit from my press method.

Doing a $44 inside and press up method really is no good unless you can hit a number 5 times.

Here’s my hands

11, 6, 10, 6
6, 3, 8, 9, 7

10, 5, 8, 9, 6, 11, 5, 9, 9, 5, 9, 10
5, 9, 7

11, 5, 4, 6, 4, 3, 9, 7

5, 8, 5
6, 5, 10, 11, 7

Finally got 9 up to $50 and hit it. $10 goes to $15 goes to $25, same bet, next hit goes to $50, and take and press from there. So got a $70 hit. Felt really good.

But I was happy just to get moving on a hand to test it out.

None of my other hands paid off and I lost money.

So from a profit point of view, it’s actually better for me to do $66 inside (as Heavy suggested), 2 or 3 hits, and regress to $22 inside and then build up and out from there, so I’m actually making some money on as many of my hands as possible.

Otherwise I’m actually dropping $44 per hand + the unrealised profits I’m adding to the bets to get them up to 5 units before taking any profits out.

Took a longer lunch today and spent 2 hours at the table. Less time pressure was good and a real treat for me.

Had a bit of a chat with the dealers and it turns out that management are questioning having the craps table in the casino. The numbers apparently aren’t stacking up for them. I don’t believe it, as every Friday afternoon that I’m there they are pulling in stacks of cash from the regulars that don’t seem to be able to make anything happen. But the dealers were going on about the occasional $22K drop on the table when a few people win, and basically crying poor. What a croc of crap (pardon the pun). The real issue is that there isn’t enough new players. The dealers were talking about times when there are no players at all, and the management walk past an empty table and then blame the dealers and justify their position of closing the table.

Many times newbies come up to the table but they are made to not feel welcome to put their money down by the regular players. It’s up to the dealers to not let that happen. And I’ve noticed that the dealers have trouble enticing the new players to join in. If asked, they try to explain the whole game to the players, that then get confused and just walk away. I think they need to keep it super simple and sell the new players into the game with a $10 on Passline and get them into the game, and explain the rest later. This to me is a management problem where they need to look closer at the game, like I have seen over the last few months and they should be able to see where to fix it.

Craps is an expensive game to run compared to every other game in the joint. 3 staff minimum. It would be ashame for Brisbane greater metropolitan area (3.4 Million) to lose it’s only Craps table. I’m sure there is a solution and I hope it’s not to close down the Craps table.

Colour in $378 (+$78) in 2 hours

Session Report #20

Casino : Treasury Brisbane

$300 buy in

Half table
SO-L
5 players all seasoned (I now consider myself in this category)
3V equivalent set

Bought in and I wasn’t settled yet and dice came straight to me, I passed. Looks of surprise on the other players faces. I should have shot straight away, as I didn’t get the dice for another 20 minutes and once again I’m on the clock, playing in my lunch break.

What was most different about this session is that I tracked my roles on paper not just with a chip count! Up until today I felt self conscious and embarrassed about it, because I have not seen anyone one else doing it. Granted I haven’t played a lot of craps over the years, and since I became a student of the game, I have logged only 18.15 hours table time so far.

I thought I’d make it look like I’m part of the crowd and grab a Baccarat tracking chart and pencil and just use that rather than bring out a little notepad.

Now that I’m no longer a charting virgin, I don’t feel bad about it all, no one paid me any attention about it, either from the players or the crew. It only took less than a second to write down a number after a decision on the dice, so I’ll now be tracking my rolls each and every time. I’ll even get a little note book for next week session.

Basically it was another chop session, with little in the way of break away rolls from anyone. In fact I had my worst session yet in terms of shooting. See card picture.

3 rolls, 7 rolls (made 1 point), and then PSO. So embarrassed by it, but learned a lot again.

Straight out is hard for me, as I have a right shoulder problem at the best of times, and find it hard to get the dice down the end together. I also fell down some stairs a few days ago and my back is now shot.

No excuse I should have therefore bet accordingly and went dark side across the board.

I used SIA one hit can’t miss, $10 DP and $6 six and eight on all other shooters which kept me level and ahead a bit. Then tanked badly on my own rolls.

Hmmm lots of lessons for me there. Nothing wrong with using the same strategy on myself until I warm up.

I was about to change strategy to $44 inside 2 hits and down on all players to get my chips back, looked at the clock and was at my time limit. Oh well.

Have to recoup my losses next week.

For those that are following my journey, here’s a summary of my sessions to date…

Buy In Colour Out Delta Percent
$ 4,850.00 $ 4,573.00 -$ 277.00 -6%

Coloured in $227 (-$73) in 1 hour and 30 minutes.

Session Report #019 – My First Baccarat Game

Casino : Treasury Brisbane

$100 buy in
Mini baccarat

Found a computer terminal with a live dealer in front so I could watch them deal and reset the shoes. They deal 2 different games back to back. Must be boring for them with no interaction with the players.

First time playing baccarat, and it was very confusing as the dealer was not standing on hands that I thought he should stand on. And there was one hand I was sure player had won but he gave it banker and I lost my bet. I felt cheated.

But you can’t talk to the dealers with these electronic machines.

Treasury casino only has $25 min tables or $10 minimum computer terminals.

Speaking with my friendly craps dealers I’m getting to know. The casino is allowed a certain amount of pokie machines per fixed table game. Since they don’t have the space they put all these computer terminals in playing multi games (baccarat, roulette, sic bo) and each terminal is classified as a full table. Then they are allowed more pokies. Amazing way to get around legislation.

Anyway it was good to play a game sitting down. And test out some basic line bet strategies faster than at the craps table. Each hand happens every 45 seconds.

I have watched the full baccarat tables and even watching it is painful. These idiot players squeezing the cards and taking 1 minute to reveal the card they’ve been dealt. I just want to reach over and turn the damn thing over for them. What a joke.

Trying out a trend / anti trend strategy coupled with a win and loss progression and regression.

Got down to $25 then back up again, didn’t follow my strategy properly as I kept getting lost in my position in the strategy until I realised you could write stuff down and even use your phone at the terminals.

I like the speed of the game but dislike sitting alone tapping on a screen while at the casino without a dealer in front of you. Seems kind of wrong. Also I dislike that you have no connection to the outcome of the hand. Which is why I always have and will continue to love the game of craps over any other game that people can come up with. Maybe the skill based computer games that are now coming out in some USA casinos might sway my opinion on that if they ever get to Australia. But in my humble opinion craps is still the best.

Looking forward to road testing more baccarat plays.

Colour in $105 (+$5) in 1 hour

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